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hello and welcome to episode number 84

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of the point of convergence podcast as

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always I am your host EXO academian

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ever since the dawn of the modern UFO

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phenomenon a wide variety of terms have

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been used to describe people's reactions

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to it people have been fascinated

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frustrated shocked perplexed bewildered

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frightened and inspired and because of

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the enigmatic nature of encounters with

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the beings associated with this

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phenomenon often several of these

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descriptors can and do apply for any

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given situation

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as has been pointed out numerous times

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on this podcast and elsewhere when one

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widens the historical scope it is not a

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stretch to wonder even postulate if

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beings from more distant folklore may be

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part and parcel of the same Enterprise

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and this is true not just because these

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events that come to us from the depth of

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recorded human history involve

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encounters with apparently non-human

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entities but also because the nature of

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the encounters often involves similar

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elements

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that said one could also argue that this

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might be an example of a brush simply

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applied too broadly in other words

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perhaps because of the very fact that

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these encounters across time do involve

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similar elements we might be tempted to

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prematurely draw precise parallels where

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they perhaps do not exist

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were the creatures of fairy Lord the

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very same as our modern day prototypical

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gray aliens

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or do we simply leap to this conclusion

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because they neither fit neatly within

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our tidy conventional Zoological models

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in the 20th century reaching a fevered

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pitch sometime in the 1990s word of

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human abductions by these supposed gray

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aliens slowly became part of our

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cultural zeitgeist

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The Narrative around these more recent

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encounters involved apparent genetic

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experimentation and even full-on

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hybridization programs again though if

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we widen the scope once more one could

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postulate the some of the Apparently

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anomalous leaps in our species cognitive

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capacity throughout hominin history were

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also the fruit of similar genetic

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intervention and augmentation programs

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people have also wondered aloud if the

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UFO phenomenon marks the beginning of a

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new religious trend

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during the 20th century many postulated

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that visits by the so-called space

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Brothers bearing an uncanny resemblance

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to ourselves by the way marked the

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beginning of a new frontier in spiritual

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discovery

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but again if we step back adopting to

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the 30 000 foot few one can logically

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question if the very seed of religious

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belief and practice for our species from

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our very earliest Creeds on were also

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the fruit either directly or indirectly

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of encounters with these same anomalous

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beings

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which leads us to some pressing

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questions are these beings the same

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groups of entities interacting and

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shaping us over time

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or is our imagination simply so limited

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that we have inappropriately drawn

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parallels where they simply don't exist

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opening up the possibility that perhaps

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our ontological landscape is simply much

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more complex and diverse than we've yet

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been able to really fathom let alone

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truly reckon with

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while the history of anomalous

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encounters seemingly goes right back to

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the dawn of our civilization more recent

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events raise a particularly pressing

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question does the apparent increase in

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our species interaction with some of

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these non-conventional beings in recent

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history

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paired with what one could argue is a

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seeming March towards a cataclysmic

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collapse of our own making

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suggests that while interactions with

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non-conventional entities have existed

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across the breadth of human history that

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they are now nearing some kind of

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culmination point where as some of the

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experiencer narrative would suggest this

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results in a situation where everything

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and everyone is left completely

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different afterwards

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and furthermore is this coming Apex

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inflection point terminal or

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transformational for our civilization

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and perhaps even both these are the

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daunting challenging and awe-inspiring

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matters we'll seek to engage with in

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this the 84th episode of the point of

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today as well

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but moving on to today's topic we are

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going to talk about the big picture ask

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some open-ended questions take the macro

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view seen across human history while

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also asking what I would suggest is a

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very key question is there something

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unique about now are we perhaps at the

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precipice of a truly unique point in

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history

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here is something I recently posted to

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social media quote Untold thousands

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reports similarly themed encounters and

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they're not all mistaken and or

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delusional

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secondly other intelligences can and do

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mask activities thus minimal empirical

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evidence does not equal lack of presence

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but suggests the clandestine though not

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necessarily malevolent campaign

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and this is what we're going to get into

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today what is this campaign about is it

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unique to recent history or is it

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indicative of a longer campaign going

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across time and or as I said in the

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introduction do we mistake certain

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different campaigns for the same one do

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we collapse and conflate the activity of

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different entity groups because of our

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myopic way of seeing reality and even

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the anomalous

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one question of course that we have to

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get to right away is who are they who

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are these others who are these

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non-conventional beings that at least

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apparently seem to be non-human

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now we've talked about different

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hypotheses but often the hypotheses

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assume they really are not human

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and in that sense we call them aliens

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but of course according to the work more

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recently of Dr Michael Masters there's

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also this question of whether or not

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they are time traveling humans this is

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something we discussed in depth on the

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most recent episode of liminal frames

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of course there's also the possibility

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that there's some third category where

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neither of the former options really

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apply but we just haven't been able to

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imagine it yet

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and that's something I really want to

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hit home here we do not know what we do

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not know as the saying goes and because

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we just don't have a full understanding

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of the context in play here we just

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don't know really what the options are

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as I often quote Jacqueline he said what

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the UFO phenomenon teaches us is that we

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do not understand space-time that is

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clear

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and as I've been saying over numerous

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podcast episodes this is not just

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something Jacques delay is saying even

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modern physics is indicating this that

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space-time is doomed indeed meaning that

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it is now known that it is not tenable

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as a foundational fundamental model of

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reality

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but let's get back to our question here

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about who they are are they aliens are

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they time traveling humans or are they

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at least somehow some kind of entity

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that is connected to us

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let's again talk about the evidence for

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the fact that they are uniquely

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connected to us and this fact regardless

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of exactly how they are connected to us

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should be profound when we really

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pinpoint just how similar they are to us

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how much we have in common it says

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something remarkably significant that

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sometimes goes missed because perhaps

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again in our myopia we assume that space

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aliens might look something like us but

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of course the most cutting-edge

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scientists who've really thought about

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this and thought about evolutionary

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processes on different planets they've

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long concluded that they would not

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likely look anything like us and

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furthermore would be very unlikely to be

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able to communicate with us and yet not

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only do we communicate with them but

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they sometimes speak to us in what seems

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like our native language and or both of

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us them and us can speak or communicate

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way just mind to mind communication now

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we could argue that perhaps this is just

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something that higher order beings learn

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to do across the cosmos which of course

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if that's true that itself is a profound

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statement saying something about the

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underlying nature of reality and our

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connection to everything that is but

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even in our more superficial level the

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fact that we share that telepathic

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communication with them suggests again a

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unique bond between us some sort of

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connection point

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so let's talk about the possibility that

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they are us from the future for a moment

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again here I'm going to read from the

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work of Dr Michael Masters who is he

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quote Dr Michael P Masters is a

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professor of biological anthropology at

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Montana Tech and Butte Montana

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after receiving a PhD in anthropology

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from the Ohio State University in 2009

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where he specialized in hominin

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evolutionary Anatomy modern human

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variation archeology and biomedicine Dr

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Masters spent the following decade

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developing a broad academic background

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that unites multiple scientific

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disciplines with the aim of elucidating

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a currently unexplained phenomenon

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remaining Vigilant in his own skepticism

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Dr Masters continues this research with

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the intent of initiating informed

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dialogue about UFOs via an abductive

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method of inquiry that is firmly rooted

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in science and the principle of

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parsimony unquote

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and that's key there the principle of

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parsimony again I touched on this in the

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liminal frames episode what is the

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simplest explanation here what involves

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the least number of leaps when we look

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at who these beings are how they appear

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how they communicate to us

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you cannot get past the fact that they

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seem to be connected to us may in fact

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even be us in some way although again I

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would suggest we try to keep the

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aperture opened here in terms of exactly

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how they are connected with us because

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again as we already said we do not

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really understand space-time and because

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of that then the connection may be

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beyond what it appears to be at first

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blush indeed space-time is ultimately

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not foundational in many ways can be

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seen as illusory or certainly not

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ultimately foundational

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but let's think about some of the

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connection points some of the overlap

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between us and them while also holding

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aside for a second the question of

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exactly how they are therefore connected

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to us

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I want to quote here from the extra

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tempestral model which is the second

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book that Masters has written on this

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particular topic

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quote as mentioned above it is

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improbable that extraterrestrial aliens

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would evolve to look or act like us the

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odds are very low that another

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two-legged upright walking hominin with

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two eyes and nose a mouth five digits on

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each hand and foot and an enlarged brain

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and neurocranium would evolve again in a

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separate solar system it is even less

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likely when considering the specific

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environmental and biocultural factors

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that culminated in our complex condition

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making our species unique among the

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plethora of organisms on this planet

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taking into consideration countless

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consistent reports provided by

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sound-minded individuals who assert that

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they have seen or interacted with these

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beings both they and US seemingly share

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numerous derived characteristics unique

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to the hominin lineage

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among the most recognizable of these is

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our bipedal form of locomotion or

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upright walking which is the trait that

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defines our hominin lineage

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reports of Close Encounters also

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indicate that we and the visitors share

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traits like bilateral symmetry relative

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hairlessness dexterous hands sexual

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reproduction the lack of a tail which is

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also rare on earth a large and globular

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brain big eyes and a small nose and

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mouth

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these share derived traits are unlikely

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to arise in alien creatures that

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underwent a separate evolutionary

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trajectory on a different planet

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elsewhere in the universe

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other scientists are also skeptical

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about the universality of intelligent

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life on other planets or that

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extraterrestrial beings would evolve to

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look anything like us unquote

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so that is quite a compelling quote

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again some might suggest that perhaps

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evolution is not as ultimately

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explanatorily powerful as it purports to

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be at this point in our history that may

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indeed be the case but what I really

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want to draw our attention to here is

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just how similar we are to these beings

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there seems to be some connection point

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so what does that mean

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now what this opens up of course is the

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possibility that if they are us from the

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future then perhaps they are here

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playing with history not just observing

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but actually playing and of course this

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raises other questions which again

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speaks to just how uninformed we are in

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some ways I think that what we should do

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what we should employ when we're

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thinking about these matters is be

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honest be humble about how much we don't

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know and how much there is that we don't

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know that we don't know we don't really

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understand space-time and again there's

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evidence that space-time itself is not

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even foundational and ultimately may be

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illusory may even be a product of our

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evolutionary trajectory and the way

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we've learned to navigate an underlying

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reality that we never actually interact

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with directly and we'll get to that

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later in the episode including speaking

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about the work of Donald Hoffman

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but let's think about this playing with

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history notion

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I thought about something along these

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lines Joe mcmonagle who has this

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remarkable remote viewing and PSI

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capacity in general was tasked one time

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with actually going aboard a plane in

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history from the 1970s that crashed and

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he actually was tasked with finding out

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what kind of detonation device was used

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now remarkably he was able to seemingly

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go back in time

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and observe what happened and where the

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device was what kind of device it was

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Etc so that is already remarkable in

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itself but what really stands out to me

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was when he pointed out that people on

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the plane on board the craft were about

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to be blown to Smithereens unfortunately

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could see him as he went on to that

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scene to observe it and so in that sense

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he was again not just an observer You

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could argue theoretically basically he

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was changing the timeline because they

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could see him and perhaps that would

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make them act in different ways now

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those ways might have been

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inconsequential in terms of what

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happened the plane still blew up but

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nevertheless the fact that they saw him

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suggests that this allows us to change

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the timeline that merely by introducing

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a new Factor you change things

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now one of the Notions I want to

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introduce today is the idea that this

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may not just be a question of are these

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aliens or us from the future and when I

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say aliens I mean space aliens or

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interdimensional aliens whatever that

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means we'll also get into that

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but what I also want to introduce again

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in extending our Viewpoint here trying

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to take a larger more expansive Vantage

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Point here is to suggest that both could

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be going on in the sense that some of

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these overarching alien groups who truly

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are alien to us in some ways

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are actually waiting and watching as our

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species not just goes through the

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process of expanding and understanding

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space but also standing by watching the

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kindergarten class if you will as it

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begins to experiment with time so in

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other words both could be true we could

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have aliens in the larger sense those

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really not connected to us through a

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direct hominin lineage like Masters

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would suggest but that we also have ones

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more related to us more recently related

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to us who are actually interacting with

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our timeline and part of our Evolution

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as a species as a collective

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Consciousness involves also learning the

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lessons of playing with timelines if you

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will

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I also want to point out here again that

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we do not understand space-time and

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because of that I sometimes laugh when I

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hear people making remarkably static and

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solid statements about how time travel

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would work

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the truth is we really don't know again

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we really don't know what we don't know

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we have Notions of space-time right now

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and it's funny when you think about it

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because on the one hand some physicists

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like Nema arkani Hamed as I've discussed

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before are suggesting that space time is

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doomed as a model altogether it cannot

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be foundational it must be a derivative

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of some deeper structure so to speak

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about how we move through time as well

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as space is kind of You could argue

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missing the point this may be happening

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at a deeper structure and we just see

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the derivative aspects of this where it

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looks like movements in space and time

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and again I've been saying for a long

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time now that I think it's likely that

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these beings many of them are

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interacting in that deeper structure of

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reality and again I want to point out

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again that what we see of reality how we

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experience reality is not what it seems

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we are experiencing an interface a

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desktop interface as Donald Hoffman

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would say and we'll get to that later

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but that's one thing when we think about

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the big questions here and the big

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picture this is something that has

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shifted since the 1990s in the 1990s

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experiencers abductee contactees were

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forced by people who assumed there was

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an objective consensus reality to

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explain how these things could have

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happened assuming that what we see and

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experience is objective reality and

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therefore these other things can't fit

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within that but when you realize as

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Hoffman's work has suggested that what

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we experience actually is already an

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interface several steps beyond what

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actually is out there then the question

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is not how are they part of our reality

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but indeed how are they interacting with

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our interface because when we do see

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them when we do experience them they are

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literally coming into our interface as

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icons on the desktop screen of our

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evolutionary derived experience of

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reality that's a different way to think

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about it and that's something that's

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different than it was in the 1990s and I

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want to keep that point front and center

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as we continue to ask ourselves what

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does this all mean who are these beings

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who are we and what is reality and to

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that point I now want to quote another

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tweet that I made on social media quote

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we do need a multi-disciplinary academic

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approach to understanding the so-called

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paranormal but that effort needs to be a

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wide open imaginative Enterprise Willing

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to rebuild from the foundation up if

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necessary

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otherwise phenomena that will not fit

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within the prevailing physicalist model

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will yet again be disinvited to the

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party and not because they are unreal

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but simply because they are inconvenient

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unquote

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this is really key I welcome as I say

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this academic approach we should have

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scientists come in and try to examine

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this data and perhaps even conduct

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experiments to try to learn more about

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it

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but there are some things from history

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we already know we think about what calm

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kalahara has said about experiments that

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were conducted at Skinwalker Ranch and

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John Alexander has made similar points

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and that is that these beings this

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intelligence whatever it is seems to

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operate Beyond again our parameters of

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space-time it seems to know what we're

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going to do before we do it and of

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course scientists coming in assuming

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that people are just mistaking prosaic

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matters for something extraordinary

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assume that we just haven't thought

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about conducting experiments actually

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identifying different variables playing

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with specific variables to learn things

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about this of course people have tried

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that it was exactly the Approach at

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Skinwalker Ranch and for two completely

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different groups as well you've got

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Brandon pugel's group doing that more

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recently but Robert Bigelow's group did

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it historically and what was found was

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that again they would play with the

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experiments themselves they would mess

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with the constants that we were trying

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to set up and when you do that that

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really calls into question the way that

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you can actually empirically investigate

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this entire Enterprise which again is

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not to say that we shouldn't try but the

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fact that we're seeing that evidence

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itself should tell us something about

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the nature of reality and the fact that

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when we're not alone when there are

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other intelligent beings on the scene

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then we can't assume that we're always

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observing constants we may be seeing

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things that are already being

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manipulated at a higher level again

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which speaks to what is reality and what

561
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,159
are we experiencing of that reality

562
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,799
and speaking of the nature of reality as

563
00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:06,480
opposed to the way we experience that

564
00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:08,700
reality I'd now like to bring a

565
00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:11,100
different factor into the equation and

566
00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:13,380
that has to do with how our memories

567
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:15,900
even may not fully reflect what has

568
00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:17,280
actually gone on

569
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:19,380
and here I think about someone like

570
00:22:25,549 --> 00:22:22,260
Robert Hastings who only recently came

571
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:25,559
out as an abductee as a contact D and he

572
00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:27,900
didn't just recently come out because he

573
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:29,460
was concerned that that would impact

574
00:22:33,470 --> 00:22:31,740
perhaps negatively impact people's

575
00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:33,480
perception of his lifelong work around

576
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,419
UFOs and nukes but also because he

577
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:39,600
himself only more recently became aware

578
00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:43,080
that he is an abductee slash contact d

579
00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:44,820
and this is depicted in the book

580
00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:47,100
confession our hidden alien encounters

581
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,559
revealed by Robert Hastings and Bob

582
00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:51,840
Jacobs I want to read the description

583
00:22:55,490 --> 00:22:53,580
for that book here to give you some

584
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:55,500
context quote

585
00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:58,440
two well-known figures in ufology UFOs

586
00:23:03,529 --> 00:23:01,140
and nukes researcher Robert Hastings and

587
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,539
Military whistleblower Dr Bob Jacobs

588
00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:06,000
divulged their long hidden status as

589
00:23:09,529 --> 00:23:08,100
experiencers although Hastings

590
00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:09,539
well-respected work involves

591
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:11,820
investigating still classified UFO

592
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:14,280
incursions at American nuclear weapons

593
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,440
sites and Jacobs is best known for

594
00:23:21,049 --> 00:23:18,480
participating in one of the key cases

595
00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:21,059
each has privately endured a number of

596
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,820
strange encounters with paranormal UFO

597
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:25,440
related phenomena

598
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:27,900
concerned that an open admission of this

599
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:29,820
fact would negatively impact their

600
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:32,340
reputations as reliable sources for

601
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,159
military-related UFO information both

602
00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:36,960
remain silent about their sometimes

603
00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:40,020
terrifying experiences for decades now

604
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:42,360
however they believe that they must go

605
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:45,240
public with the truth over time Hastings

606
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:48,120
and Jacobs have focused on securing and

607
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:50,580
publicizing UFO data kept secret by the

608
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:53,700
U.S Air Force but when the bizarre and

609
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:55,620
disturbing incidents began to occur

610
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:57,539
years ago seemingly involving

611
00:24:01,789 --> 00:23:59,400
interactions with non-human entities

612
00:24:04,029 --> 00:24:01,799
they were forced to confront the UFO

613
00:24:06,830 --> 00:24:04,039
subject on a much more personal level

614
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:06,840
apparent abductions bedroom visitations

615
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,480
and other related events have taken

616
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,240
place on an ongoing basis while the

617
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,120
authors do not pretend to understand the

618
00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:16,799
situation or the reasons for their

619
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,140
involvement in it they are convinced of

620
00:24:23,570 --> 00:24:21,299
the physical reality of their encounters

621
00:24:25,610 --> 00:24:23,580
unquote

622
00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:25,620
so this is really really key here

623
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,100
because what this suggests again is that

624
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:31,740
we do not know what we do not know in

625
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:33,480
the case of these two men for instance

626
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,780
they have been long time activists in

627
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,880
this field specifically to do with UFOs

628
00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:41,039
and the nuclear connection why are we

629
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:43,380
seeing UFOs so often at nuclear

630
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:45,059
facilities nuclear weapons facilities

631
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:46,320
specifically

632
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,559
and why have they shown this capacity to

633
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,320
test with our nuclear facilities to

634
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:54,000
actually try to shut down warheads and

635
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:55,140
things like that that they've been able

636
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:57,299
to do and in one case in the Soviet

637
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:59,220
Union they've actually at times turned

638
00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:00,299
them on

639
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,760
but the point here is that these two men

640
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:05,039
didn't realize that there was anything

641
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,559
beyond themselves that was fueling this

642
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:09,900
lifelong passion for decades they were

643
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:11,580
doing this Hastings talks about going

644
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:14,460
around University campuses in the past

645
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,460
and talking about these issues even when

646
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:19,919
audiences were small he kept going he

647
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,299
assumed this was coming of his own

648
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:23,760
volition of course when he had more

649
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:26,520
recent sudden memories of contact

650
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,580
experiences when he was a child he began

651
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:31,520
of course to put two and two together

652
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:36,000
was his obsession planted by them was

653
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:38,039
his life calling his vocation if you

654
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:41,400
will something that they gave him or is

655
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:43,260
there also the possibility that again as

656
00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:44,580
we hear about in the experiential

657
00:25:48,529 --> 00:25:46,919
literature he may have come from

658
00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:48,539
somewhere else he may have had a

659
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,700
connection with these beings before this

660
00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:52,980
lifetime and perhaps knew about this

661
00:25:57,649 --> 00:25:54,900
mission on some deeper level that he's

662
00:25:59,630 --> 00:25:57,659
only now coming into contact with he

663
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:59,640
hasn't concluded that but I'm saying

664
00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:02,039
some contact these do end up concluding

665
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:04,200
that that when they have these missions

666
00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:05,940
it's not just that it comes from their

667
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,760
own volition in this lifetime and it's

668
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,500
also not necessarily that these others

669
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:13,200
are implanting these ideas like The

670
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,059
Manchurian Candidate kind of scenario

671
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:17,700
but actually that they themselves have

672
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,520
an identity of a dual nature that they

673
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:22,799
are somewhat human in something else as

674
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,580
well

675
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,400
which again raises the question who are

676
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:28,320
we not just who are they but who are we

677
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,820
there are so many questions we don't

678
00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:31,980
really understand and again I would

679
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:33,900
encourage us to be excited about that

680
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,159
because there's so many things to

681
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,679
explore yet not to be overwhelmed by the

682
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,120
fact that there's much we don't know and

683
00:26:41,870 --> 00:26:40,799
much that we don't know that we don't

684
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:41,880
know

685
00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,559
but of course this also begs the

686
00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:45,419
question is it possible that the

687
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:48,299
abduction or contact program is much

688
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,580
more widespread than we have thus far

689
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:53,520
realized or assumed the fact that people

690
00:26:57,769 --> 00:26:55,620
are going decades before sometimes

691
00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:57,779
remembering these things suggests that

692
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:00,299
perhaps many many people have had these

693
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:02,279
experiences perhaps we're not talking

694
00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:04,380
about thousands but perhaps millions of

695
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,840
people one maybe even asks if it's

696
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:08,760
billions we just don't know we don't

697
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:11,159
know how widespread this is not just

698
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,900
because we don't know what we don't know

699
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:15,360
but also because these beings these

700
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:17,640
others some of them anyway seem to be

701
00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:20,100
able to manipulate our experience of

702
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:22,380
space-time they are able to seemingly

703
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,380
stop local space-time Hastings talks

704
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:27,419
about this one time having a memory as a

705
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:29,400
kid sitting around a kitchen table with

706
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:32,220
his family and suddenly everyone freeze

707
00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:34,679
frames at the table sometimes with spoon

708
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:36,840
or Fork halfway to their mouth but he's

709
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,460
still able to move and experience

710
00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:41,520
space-time rolling on and then suddenly

711
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:44,039
he's sees what seemed like gray beings

712
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:47,700
appear aliens but again the scene stays

713
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,860
Frozen while he moves about with these

714
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:51,960
others and only once he's returned by

715
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,880
these others not really knowing what's

716
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,679
happening in between

717
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,840
but he's returned by these others to the

718
00:28:02,810 --> 00:27:59,940
kitchen table and only then does

719
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:02,820
everyone reanimate as it were so again

720
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,220
when they have this degree of ability to

721
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:07,440
manipulate our experience of what we

722
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,539
perceive as space-time notice the

723
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,820
qualifiers I'm using here this suggests

724
00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:14,159
there's much we don't know much we still

725
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:16,200
need to investigate much that science

726
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,640
itself has to open its mind towards

727
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:23,039
now speaking of interaction and

728
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:25,080
intervention let's again open the

729
00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:27,179
aperture this may not be a recent

730
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:29,640
phenomenon what about ancient history

731
00:28:33,529 --> 00:28:31,860
what about these beings understood to be

732
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,539
the Gods

733
00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:35,340
what if these encounters really were

734
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:37,799
about these very same beings visiting

735
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,020
and interacting and shaping our

736
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,840
civilization over time even our ancient

737
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,640
civilizations

738
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:46,380
of course we also have to keep in mind

739
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:49,140
here that again that myopic view might

740
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,299
be something that we suffered from back

741
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,000
then for instance if we assume that any

742
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:55,919
kind of non-conventional being that came

743
00:29:02,690 --> 00:29:00,179
on the scene was God then when perhaps

744
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,700
different ones came we interpreted as

745
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,860
the actions of a single God or a single

746
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:07,679
group a single Council of beings but

747
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:09,179
what if different groups with different

748
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:11,700
Origins and different agendas

749
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:14,220
or arriving on the scene and again our

750
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,220
lack of imagination made us conflate and

751
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:19,620
collapse these into one kind of group

752
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:21,720
and then we formed narratives around

753
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:23,940
religious themes that sometimes are even

754
00:29:28,210 --> 00:29:26,220
contradictory perhaps not because they

755
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:28,220
are the signs of one group communicating

756
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,600
seemingly strange and contradictory

757
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:32,880
things over time but actually these were

758
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:34,679
different groups saying different things

759
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:37,919
with different agendas and the Paradox

760
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:40,260
the contradictions are in the fact that

761
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,380
we tried to conflate that into the gods

762
00:29:48,169 --> 00:29:46,020
working with us or God working with us

763
00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:48,179
and trying to give us instructions about

764
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:50,580
how we should live our lives again when

765
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:52,679
you think about how we've looked at this

766
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,140
phenomenon much of it not just comes

767
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,360
down to what has happened but how we've

768
00:30:01,970 --> 00:30:00,000
interpreted what has happened and is key

769
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,980
to parse those two out when we think

770
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:03,600
about the history

771
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:05,880
and to that point I've made this

772
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:07,860
argument in terms of more recent

773
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,679
apparent campaigns by non-conventional

774
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,200
intelligences again I hesitate from

775
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,419
saying aliens because some of them may

776
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,000
be us from the future again somehow us

777
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:19,679
as well

778
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:21,419
but part of the problem is when people

779
00:30:26,649 --> 00:30:24,539
look at the data as one totality they

780
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:26,659
see what appears to be contradictory

781
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,240
actions and messages and therefore we've

782
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,919
even assumed there's a trickster element

783
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,080
to this I'm not saying there is not a

784
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:36,240
trickster element but I'm saying that if

785
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:38,039
you take actually what are say four

786
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,779
distinct patterns I'm just picking a

787
00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:41,700
number here and you assume it's actually

788
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:44,340
one pattern then when you do that

789
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,260
conflation you're going to see things

790
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,179
that seem contradictory they seem to

791
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,640
turn back on themselves and that may be

792
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:52,559
because actually we have numerous

793
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:55,080
distinct patterns that because they are

794
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:56,940
all of a non-conventional nature we

795
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,220
conflate and collapse into one pattern

796
00:31:03,769 --> 00:31:01,320
and then Marvel at the fact that we

797
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:03,779
can't make much sense of it I think here

798
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,520
of groundbreaking works like Jacques

799
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,159
valet's passport to Magonia where he

800
00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:10,440
asks these questions about could these

801
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:13,080
various interactions over time even

802
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,419
while on a curse review seem different

803
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:17,640
actually be evidence of the same kinds

804
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:20,940
of beings interacting with us over time

805
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:22,620
that's certainly a possibility and I'm

806
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:24,779
thankful for his contribution to the

807
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:26,820
field in getting us to widen the scope

808
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,799
that's always a good thing and realize

809
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,539
these things have been going on before

810
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:32,279
1940.

811
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,740
but to that point I think we should open

812
00:31:39,769 --> 00:31:36,600
the scope even more and again ask the

813
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:39,779
question if sometimes we assume the

814
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:41,399
interactions with non-conventional

815
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:44,039
beings over time suggest that maybe the

816
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:46,500
same group when perhaps it's not perhaps

817
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:49,260
again the situation the scenario the

818
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,419
landscape is just much more diverse and

819
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:53,880
complex than we've thus far had the

820
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,760
imagination to reckon with

821
00:32:00,649 --> 00:31:58,799
I'll give you an example here my friend

822
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:00,659
Stuart Davis pointed this out to me one

823
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:02,700
time and I thought was a great point

824
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:05,100
imagine you have a bay and in this Bay

825
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:07,799
you see three different kinds of objects

826
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,799
come into the bay first you see a swan

827
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:13,080
wander in and then perhaps thousands of

828
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,820
years later ancestors of those first

829
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,279
people that viewed the swan notice a

830
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,200
canoe growing up from a neighboring

831
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:21,659
tribe perhaps and then you go again

832
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:23,640
forward a thousand years and suddenly

833
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:25,860
you have a nuclear submarine coming into

834
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:28,620
the bay now those are three distinct

835
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:31,020
group slash entities slash origin

836
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,760
sources they are not related to each

837
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,000
other other than they are beings on the

838
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,179
vast landscape but a swan a canoe with

839
00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:41,039
someone rowing it and a nuclear

840
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:43,380
submarine are very different things when

841
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:44,940
we think about it that way we realize

842
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:46,919
it's somewhat foolhardy to assume that

843
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,740
this is one strange entity manifesting

844
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,320
in different guises over time first is a

845
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:54,480
swan then as a canoe then as a nuclear

846
00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:56,220
submarine what does that mean why is it

847
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,720
tricking us with these different

848
00:33:01,370 --> 00:32:59,760
appearances when actually the truth is

849
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,380
these are just three different entities

850
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,880
all together

851
00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:04,320
so that's something to keep in mind

852
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,419
sometimes our assumptions the things we

853
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:09,120
leap to actually bias the way we see the

854
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:11,460
data and blind us more importantly to

855
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:13,860
how we might see the data differently

856
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:16,019
and further to that point I'd like to

857
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,820
now draw our attention to this notion

858
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:19,860
that some of this genetic manipulation

859
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:22,500
some of these hybridization programs may

860
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:24,179
be as some suggest

861
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:25,980
part of a campaign where they are trying

862
00:33:29,930 --> 00:33:27,899
to take over the world they were slowly

863
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,940
changing us to make us like zombie

864
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:31,919
beings so they can later come in without

865
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:34,140
facing any kind of resistance as they

866
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:36,059
take us over and take the planet for

867
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,580
themselves perhaps making us slaves in

868
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:41,279
the process zombie slaves on top of that

869
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,279
I'm not saying that's not a possibility

870
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:46,919
but I'm also saying that again Bears a

871
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:48,600
striking resemblance to our recent

872
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:50,519
Colonial history this is a kind of

873
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:53,340
cosmic colonialism you could call it

874
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:55,019
but again I would question whether or

875
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:56,820
not these beings that seem to operate in

876
00:34:02,509 --> 00:33:59,640
a 5D kind of environment would act this

877
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:02,519
way this is like playing 3D chess for 5D

878
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:04,980
beings why would they do it that way why

879
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:07,019
would they need to do it that way again

880
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,020
they are able to manipulate our very

881
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:12,480
experience of space-time therefore what

882
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:15,060
we perceive as reality if they are

883
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:17,099
working to nefarious ends they could do

884
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:19,500
so in a way that we would never even be

885
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:22,619
aware so again to apply these Notions of

886
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,339
3D chess moves to 5D beings seems to me

887
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:29,520
somewhat foolhardy at best

888
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,800
now when Skeptics of course look at this

889
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,240
and they see a lack of empirical

890
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,879
evidence they see a lack of UFOs landing

891
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,740
on the White House lawn and whatnot or

892
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:39,780
radio signals coming from Alpha Centauri

893
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:42,899
they assume there is no there there they

894
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:45,659
see the lack of empirical evidence as an

895
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,460
example that this notion is all

896
00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:50,159
imaginary the entire Enterprise

897
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:52,500
some cannot slash will not entertain

898
00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:54,960
this because they are so wedded to the

899
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,720
current prevailing physicalist model how

900
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:59,580
can they think we've arrived that's what

901
00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:01,320
I wonder because that's basically the

902
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,000
way they're acting that our current

903
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:05,040
model is very close to the ultimate

904
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:07,020
truth and if this thing doesn't fit

905
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:09,900
within that model then it must not exist

906
00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,640
you've heard the expression those who

907
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:13,740
fail to learn from history are doomed to

908
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:15,900
repeat it I would point out to us that

909
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:17,820
this is also true for what I call the

910
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:20,280
near Pinnacle delusion this notion that

911
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,960
we're almost at a point of complete

912
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:23,520
knowledge and therefore when we see

913
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:25,980
outliers we assume they just must be

914
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:29,119
glitches not actual elements of data

915
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:31,560
suggesting to us that our model itself

916
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,560
is not only perhaps incomplete but

917
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:37,200
perhaps even woefully misguided and

918
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,579
again according to the spirit of science

919
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:40,560
we should embrace this I hope more

920
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:42,599
academics and scientists do come for it

921
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:44,280
and we are beginning to see that happen

922
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:48,060
as this entire narrative takes more hold

923
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:50,460
in the public sphere but again I think

924
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:52,200
we need to allow this to make us

925
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:55,380
question our very models themselves

926
00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:57,420
now speaking of possibilities and

927
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,400
opening the aperture and like I said

928
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,960
earlier perhaps even considering the

929
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,119
possibility that some of the others

930
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:04,800
interacting with us are actually

931
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,320
versions of ourselves in different what

932
00:36:12,010 --> 00:36:09,839
seem like elements of time or points

933
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:12,020
along the history of human civilization

934
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:14,280
there's also the possibility that there

935
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:16,680
are larger groups more overarching

936
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:19,079
groups more sophisticated groups who are

937
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,820
actually watching that Enterprise as

938
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:22,380
well and seeing it as part of our

939
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,300
evolution in understanding the

940
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,400
consequences the laws of cause and

941
00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:28,260
effect when you mess not with just space

942
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:30,900
but also time because of course it's an

943
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,520
integrated fabric

944
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:34,980
now earlier I mentioned the raw material

945
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,380
the law of one material now one notion

946
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:38,880
that comes out there is that there's

947
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:41,940
this honoring of Free Will and to that

948
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:44,640
end what that means is if we reach out

949
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:46,920
to certain kinds of beings if we even

950
00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:49,140
make packs with certain kinds of beings

951
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:51,780
as has been described in the Eisenhower

952
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:54,420
meetings in different points along U.S

953
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,280
history and perhaps campaigns that were

954
00:37:01,010 --> 00:36:59,280
agreed to with non-human intelligences

955
00:37:03,290 --> 00:37:01,020
or at least non-conventional human

956
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:03,300
intelligences if they are us from the

957
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:04,260
future

958
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:06,420
that can be the case because Free Will

959
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:09,000
seems to be honored but at the same time

960
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:11,400
we also see this kind of shielding

961
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:13,380
around our planet where we do not have

962
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:16,200
this Invasion by nefarious groups or

963
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:18,660
non-human groups this suggests there is

964
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:20,820
a kind of shielding that takes place a

965
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:23,220
kind of prime directive over all of this

966
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,359
because when you think about it

967
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,920
regardless of which beings are

968
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,079
interacting with us at which points in

969
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,960
history there seems to be this under the

970
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:33,119
radar kind of way that they do it there

971
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,680
are no groups landing on the White House

972
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:36,480
lawn at this point so there seems like

973
00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:38,760
there are some basic overall rules or

974
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:41,099
guidelines but also within that you have

975
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:42,900
some groups that perhaps are very

976
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,780
benevolent very evolved very far along

977
00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:47,880
the spiral of Consciousness development

978
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:49,320
and other ones that are more

979
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,180
technologically sophisticated than us

980
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,579
perhaps but not necessarily that much

981
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:55,920
further along morally and again this

982
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:57,480
could all work together because this

983
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,640
could be part of the process of us

984
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:02,400
learning about our decisions as I've

985
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:04,260
said on previous podcasts even learn

986
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:06,119
learning about the implications of

987
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:08,460
making packs with alien groups or

988
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:10,740
apparently non-human groups just for the

989
00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:12,660
sake of gaining short-term gain in terms

990
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:15,300
of Technology as one could suggest there

991
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:17,460
has been the apparent case according to

992
00:38:21,410 --> 00:38:19,800
what we learn about secret U.S military

993
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,420
history

994
00:38:26,569 --> 00:38:24,000
now in terms of opening the aperture

995
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,579
asking the big questions assuming that

996
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:28,560
perhaps our models might be woefully

997
00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:30,660
incomplete perhaps even almost

998
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:33,180
completely misguided I again want to

999
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:34,980
bring in the figure of Donald Hoffman

1000
00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:37,260
and his important work

1001
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,440
now who is Hoffman he is a cognitive

1002
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,000
scientist and professor at the

1003
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:44,460
University of California Irvine

1004
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:48,000
now prior to Hoffman and his work what

1005
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,859
was the common assumption in scientific

1006
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,079
circles was that we didn't certainly see

1007
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:54,300
all of reality but that we assumed that

1008
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,000
the part we saw the slice we saw was

1009
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:59,760
accurate in fact we assumed that the

1010
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:01,020
fact that we have been able to

1011
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,520
manipulate our environment navigate

1012
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:04,800
through our environment suggest that

1013
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,900
there must be a closed parallel between

1014
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,880
what we experience and the actual

1015
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,320
underlying reality

1016
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:12,240
but what Hoffman's work has done is

1017
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:14,040
shown how that is actually a false

1018
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:15,720
assumption and that's what it is an

1019
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,820
assumption once again we see an example

1020
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,440
where even in science certain

1021
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:22,140
assumptions sneak through the cracks and

1022
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,880
therefore become part of the prevailing

1023
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:25,200
model

1024
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,180
what Hoffman points to is the fact that

1025
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:30,000
again what we experience is actually an

1026
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:32,700
interface with icons on a screen if you

1027
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:35,520
will and when you look at a again a

1028
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:38,220
garbage can or a trash icon on a

1029
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:39,540
computer screen of course that's not

1030
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:41,460
indicative of the underlying reality

1031
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:43,260
which is binary code and those kinds of

1032
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,119
things it actually is just something

1033
00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:47,280
that appears as an icon that makes it

1034
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:50,280
easy for us to navigate around that

1035
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,619
desktop again he's saying that our

1036
00:39:55,550 --> 00:39:54,540
experience of reality itself is like

1037
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:55,560
that

1038
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:57,540
I want to give a few quotes from him

1039
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:58,320
here

1040
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:01,320
quote this critique also misreads the

1041
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,540
copernican revolution yes our

1042
00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:05,760
perceptions mislead us about our place

1043
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:08,099
in the universe but its deeper message

1044
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,339
is this our perceptions can mislead us

1045
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:13,140
about the very nature of the universe

1046
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:15,780
itself we are prone to falsely believe

1047
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,460
that certain limitations and

1048
00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:20,400
idiosyncrasies of our perceptions are

1049
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:23,180
genuine insights into objective reality

1050
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:26,220
unquote that's such a key quote in my

1051
00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:28,260
mind because again when we assume

1052
00:40:32,109 --> 00:40:30,119
reality only works certain ways and

1053
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,119
therefore this phenomenon cannot be real

1054
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:34,440
these suggested encounters that people

1055
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:36,839
describe cannot be real cannot be part

1056
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,140
of consensus reality this quote I just

1057
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:42,359
read points to the fact that we falsely

1058
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:44,579
believe that limitations of our

1059
00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:46,619
perceptions are genuine insights into

1060
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:49,079
objective reality and his point is that

1061
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:50,760
that is false

1062
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,700
another quote from Hoffman quote to

1063
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:55,560
construct is the essence of vision

1064
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:57,780
dispense with construction and you

1065
00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:00,180
dispense with vision everything you

1066
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:01,980
experience by sight is your construction

1067
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:03,780
unquote

1068
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:06,119
again this is the key here there's a

1069
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,859
constructive aspect to what we

1070
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,599
experience and it has something to do

1071
00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:11,400
with our evolutionary history and our

1072
00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:14,520
point along the timeline what we see

1073
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:16,680
what we experience what we determine is

1074
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:20,579
real is only really what is conducive to

1075
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:22,980
us surviving press propagating the

1076
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:25,500
species it again doesn't speak to the

1077
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:28,260
underlying reality itself and that is

1078
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:29,640
really summed up well in this final

1079
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,220
quote I want to read here quote Stephen

1080
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,040
Pinker sums up the argument well we are

1081
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:37,920
organisms not angels and our minds are

1082
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:41,160
organs not pipelines to the truth our

1083
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:43,380
minds evolved by natural selection to

1084
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:45,240
solve problems that were life and death

1085
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:48,780
matters to our ancestors not to commune

1086
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:50,339
with correctness

1087
00:41:53,329 --> 00:41:51,720
unquote

1088
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:53,339
so this is key

1089
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:55,619
the point here is again the name of the

1090
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,200
game is survival playing a game like a

1091
00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:00,480
video game when a five-year-old plays a

1092
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:01,980
video game and gets really good at it

1093
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:03,780
and go through all the levels we don't

1094
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:06,060
assume that kid has some fundamental

1095
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:08,520
understanding of reality or that that

1096
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:11,460
video game indicates underlying reality

1097
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,800
and he's saying that basically what we

1098
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,839
experience what we see of reality quote

1099
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:17,760
unquote is actually like that it's a

1100
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:19,740
virtual landscape that has been

1101
00:42:24,829 --> 00:42:22,680
constructed to allow us to interact with

1102
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:24,839
the reality that we never usually see

1103
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,820
directly or experience directly or

1104
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:29,280
interact with directly and furthermore

1105
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,800
this is really key that again it's not

1106
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:33,839
just that we only see a slice of a much

1107
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,020
larger reality but we only see that

1108
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,560
translation into icons and a desktop in

1109
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:42,900
other words the actual mapping to actual

1110
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:46,320
reality is precisely zero this is key

1111
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:47,880
and this is very interesting when you

1112
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:49,320
think about the fact that so many people

1113
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,660
that have non-conventional experiences

1114
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:53,280
whether they be near-death experience

1115
00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:55,140
inches of outer or out of body

1116
00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:58,700
experiences or psychedelic Journeys or

1117
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,500
parapsychological experiences or

1118
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:04,079
encounters with apparently alien beings

1119
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:06,660
all of these kinds of experiences also

1120
00:43:10,730 --> 00:43:09,180
involve people often saying afterwards

1121
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:10,740
that there was an element of that being

1122
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,319
more real than real that somehow when we

1123
00:43:18,109 --> 00:43:15,839
come back to this waking reality this

1124
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:18,119
somehow seems less real and if you think

1125
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,740
about that impairing that with what

1126
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,079
Hoffman's saying this makes some sense

1127
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:24,240
because again if this is more like an

1128
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:26,819
interface with a set of icons to help us

1129
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,640
navigate the actual reality than in

1130
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:31,740
these non-conventional states and these

1131
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,720
non-conventional experiences we may be

1132
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:36,119
getting closer to the actual reality and

1133
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:38,220
it's more broadly expressed scope and

1134
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,380
that may be what explains the sense of

1135
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,960
it being more real than real to various

1136
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:44,880
kinds of experiencers of

1137
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,220
non-conventional states

1138
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:50,400
now as we draw this episode to a close I

1139
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,260
would like to touch on this element that

1140
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,720
has been so common in these kinds of

1141
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:56,460
encounters with these non-conventional

1142
00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:59,640
beings across time this notion of a

1143
00:44:05,089 --> 00:44:02,099
coming cataclysm even perhaps a full-on

1144
00:44:06,589 --> 00:44:05,099
Apocalypse Now again we think back to

1145
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:06,599
religious history and how there's this

1146
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,040
discussion about these kinds of things

1147
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,079
in various religious Traditions about

1148
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:12,720
the End of Time Coming eventually again

1149
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:15,300
was that a prophecy or was it actually

1150
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,819
beings providing messages because they

1151
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,440
can move through time and they know

1152
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:21,119
what's coming

1153
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,760
we also think about more recent times

1154
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,680
and how people who've experienced the

1155
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,200
UFO phenomenon the modern UFO phenomenon

1156
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:31,260
and encountered the beings themselves so

1157
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:33,240
often are given messages about this

1158
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,700
coming apocalypse and furthermore that

1159
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,640
the apocalypse is of our own doing that

1160
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:40,800
we are on a crash course in terms of

1161
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,079
history and that unless we change our

1162
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,560
ways bad things will be the result these

1163
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:48,240
particular messages do not seem to be

1164
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:51,240
about some object from space colliding

1165
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:52,680
with the Earth and causing the next

1166
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:55,619
Global flood they seem to be pointing

1167
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:58,260
specifically to how our actions are

1168
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:59,940
creating this scenario that will

1169
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:02,880
eventually prove to be our own demise

1170
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:05,339
to that point I recently came across an

1171
00:45:10,089 --> 00:45:07,619
interesting tweet from a climate

1172
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,099
scientist he said quote

1173
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:12,599
o-i-s-st provides a real-time daily

1174
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,420
index of ocean Surfers temperature for

1175
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:17,280
the last month it has been continuously

1176
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:19,619
reading higher than in any previous year

1177
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:22,380
and still shows no sign of settling

1178
00:45:25,609 --> 00:45:23,940
unquote

1179
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:25,619
now of course we know that ocean

1180
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,440
temperatures determine currents and have

1181
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:30,540
a huge impact on climate all around the

1182
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:32,220
world and it's an interactive process

1183
00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:34,980
where actions by one nation state can

1184
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:37,380
completely determine the climate future

1185
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:40,260
of other nation states we are a global

1186
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:42,420
civilization even though we do not act

1187
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:43,980
like it yet

1188
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:46,380
and this quote led me to say the

1189
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,900
following on social media quote there

1190
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,640
are cataclysms and then there is the

1191
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:53,040
proverbial slow boiling of frogs Who

1192
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:56,099
Remain oblivious unquote

1193
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,260
again this speaks to the fact that not

1194
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,720
only May a cataclysm be brewing in our

1195
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:03,119
midst but we are fundamentally doing it

1196
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,700
we are the Catalyst for it and yet seem

1197
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:07,859
to be remaining oblivious almost

1198
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:10,260
willfully choosing to pull the wool over

1199
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:11,940
our own eyes

1200
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,280
in fact when you think about what's

1201
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:16,079
happening recently again speaking to

1202
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:17,880
this notion that there seems to be an

1203
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,560
uptick in how much they're interacting

1204
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,359
with us some of these beings even

1205
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,000
sometimes brazenly displaying themselves

1206
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,220
in front of our military it seems like

1207
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,280
the ante is being opt the question is

1208
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,160
why I would suggest perhaps that a

1209
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,560
perfect storm is brewing we see this

1210
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:36,720
apparent increased activity by these

1211
00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:39,660
others while we are also facing numerous

1212
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,180
major challenges climate change as I

1213
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:45,119
just mentioned social tension bio

1214
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:47,880
weapons and a new posturing of Nations

1215
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:50,700
along what seems to be a new kind of

1216
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,160
cold war developing that might even be a

1217
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:55,920
hot War this time in terms of nuclear

1218
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:58,680
weapons we seem to be again seeing this

1219
00:47:03,290 --> 00:47:01,500
happen all at the same time at the same

1220
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:03,300
time that people are experiencing these

1221
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:05,160
beings more than ever before or even

1222
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:07,859
there seems to be this open Brazen

1223
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,200
activity that is even causing our

1224
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:12,119
governments to have to face up to this

1225
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:14,700
and against their preference actually

1226
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:17,099
having to talk about it and address it

1227
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,560
and study it at a public level

1228
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,359
so what I'm getting at here in

1229
00:47:25,390 --> 00:47:23,339
conclusion is while we do see

1230
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:25,400
interaction with non-conventional beings

1231
00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:27,780
throughout our history and perhaps even

1232
00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:29,579
the shaping of our very civilization

1233
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,079
over history

1234
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:33,359
while that's been the case on the long

1235
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:35,579
scope of History we should not therefore

1236
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:37,020
assume that what we're seeing now is

1237
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:39,780
just business as usual there does seem

1238
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:42,540
to be an uptick of activity at the very

1239
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:45,900
same time that we are putting ourselves

1240
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:48,119
at the precipice of self-destruction

1241
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:51,420
through numerous means not just one and

1242
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:53,160
again I would point out to you here that

1243
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:55,319
Consciousness is really the ultimate

1244
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:57,480
issue here if we had a high level of

1245
00:48:01,490 --> 00:47:59,819
Consciousness on this planet then we

1246
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:01,500
could solve these problems but because

1247
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,200
we are still so divisive we are still so

1248
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,660
focused on ourselves as small selves

1249
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,359
separate selves not connected to each

1250
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:12,240
other and to this larger whole this is

1251
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:13,980
what's causing these problems this is

1252
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,720
what they say to us not just that you

1253
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,520
are on a collision course if you don't

1254
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:19,920
change course but then actually the

1255
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:21,960
fundamental problem is this issue of

1256
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,359
Consciousness is this illusion we have

1257
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:27,119
of being separate and that action like

1258
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,579
any action that is based on illusion is

1259
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:31,680
ultimately not going to end well because

1260
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,020
it doesn't play with the reality as it

1261
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,240
actually is and as the saying goes

1262
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,180
reality is regardless of how you feel

1263
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:41,400
about it

1264
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,900
and now I'd like to leave you with this

1265
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:44,880
one concluding point

1266
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:47,099
regardless of what may or may not be

1267
00:48:50,589 --> 00:48:48,900
happening now at this apparent

1268
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:50,599
culmination point in human history

1269
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,980
what's clear to me is what is clear to

1270
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:54,960
so many of us experiencers and

1271
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,660
non-experiencers alike the status quo

1272
00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:59,760
for our human civilization on planet

1273
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:02,520
Earth is simply not sustainable

1274
00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:05,160
in other words when we deeply reflect on

1275
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:07,619
these matters ultimately what these

1276
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,380
various others are telling us warning us

1277
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,720
about are truths that in our deepest

1278
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,359
intuitions we already know

1279
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:17,160
the question we're left with therefore

1280
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:20,280
is this what are we going to do about it

1281
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,260
and that is a question that is more

1282
00:49:26,329 --> 00:49:24,000
important than any of the fascinating

1283
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:26,339
topics we've discussed today I would

1284
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:28,859
suggest to you

1285
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:31,260
and on that note we've come to the close

1286
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:33,480
of another edition of the point of

1287
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,819
convergence podcast if you'd like to

1288
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:37,920
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1289
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1290
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:44,640
but until next time friends from deep

1291
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:46,680
within the Blue Ridge Mountains of North

1292
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:49,980
Carolina this is exo-academian shining

1293
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:51,130
out

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00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,220
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